| A world where opinions are never expressed and evaluated upon would be completely and utterly dull. |
| Why do reviews exist for mainstream movies and t.v. shows? It's the same thing with anime. Reviews can give you an idea of what to expect, or if you're reading reviews after you've watched the anime, it can promote discussion or cause you to look at the anime in a different way. Discussion is just an integral part of mediums like anime, to expose yourself to different views while maybe showing someone your own views as well. |
| Get this pile of garbage to where it should exist... OP, I ain't gonna read that lengthy intro of yours... The thread title is more than enough... |
logan87654321 said: _Ako_ said: Get this pile of garbage to where it should exist... OP, I ain't gonna read that lengthy intro of yours... The thread title is more than enough... What do you think my core message is? Because what I get from your post is that it's anti-review. What your core message is, "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about"(basically me saying this).. My post don't reveal anything to be quite honest... I don't know why people get too much adrenaline on this kind of shit about reviews and stuff... Makes me wonder which is better now, Facebook or Google? Because seems to me people get ideas from facebook and just recycle the shit out out of it... In short, yeah, shitty people... If you ask this to movies and such, I'd be fucking happy... xD |
| because people like to get their opinions out there... lol which gives fuel to fucks like me, who like to bitch about peoples opinions :D |
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| because reviews are in a sense an opinion. every one has them and everyone's is different. they help give people perspective on why they like or don't like a show, or so it goes |
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EcchiLordMamster said: because people like to get their opinions out there... lol which gives fuel to fucks like me, who like to bitch about peoples opinions :D Especially when those opinions belong to ecchi haters, am I right? |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
| Its just sharing opinions and its good to share those things as it'll be helpful to people who have similar tastes as the reviewer. Though for me, I mainly look at the premise, overall rating, genres, and art before deciding to try something out. |
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| Not sure why people think just because your review is a matter of opinion it's pointless. If reviews were only a matter of facts then there would be no room for debate, discussion, or changing minds. The facts would just be the facts and that's that. It's precisely because your review is "just an opinion" that it holds the potential to change and influence minds, because opinions are malleable. Facts aren't. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
| its nice to see someone say the same opinion but in better words or interesting to see the opposite opinion (like oMG how can yuo like/not like this???) i almost always read reviews after finishing, dont want to "poison the well" not too often tho |
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| Which Hyouka episode is that again? I don't really read review but review allowed you to listen to other people's opinion. It's an expression. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| 1) Reviews exist so that lazy people would not have to read/watch the original work. Just read the review, and you can write your test(is this the right word?) on literature, participate in forum discussions, and so on. Most people will never find it out, because they didn't read/watch either. You can even go on and write your own review, to ensure that truth never prevails. 2) There are opinions, and there are facts. A good review can bring to light the facts that usually matter for people when choosing an anime to see: * The genre, and it sub-sub-genres, like "ecchi fantasy school battle harem". That's really all that people need to know to decide if they want to see the anime. * The themes. Is it about friendship and betrayal, is it about politics or love, is it about hard work or talent? * The meta level. Is this harem comedy meant for people who have seen 10+ other harems, or is it good for beginners? Shomin Sample derives much of its humor from breaking expectations instilled by basic-level comedy harems. * Whether it experiences major changes at some point. For example, Kiddy Grade develops a plot somewhere in the middle of its 24-episode run. Thus, people will know if they have any reason to continue is they didn't like the beginning. |
| Good reviewers don't do the thinking for you. Rather, they have opinions which they can explain. They have knowledge they can connect. At their best, they don't change your opinion completely but expand your knowledge on the arts and the human experience. |
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| It's really simple - reviews are helpful (I don't think the animeverse has to be separated coz reviews apply to everything else too in the same way i.e. movies, series, novels or even cooking recipes for all I know!) Spending time on watching an anime, the one's with a story, it's useful to know whether it's gonna be worth my time. (Even a 12 episode anime is 6 hours of your whole time and that's alot) A quick analysis of reviews really helps to choose the anime And about what you said: logan87654321 said: It could be said reviews are written for self gratification and "getting something off your chest" and there are some who may use the opinions of a popular reviewer to affirm their own self beliefs and help in some possible way validate their own existence. When I go through reviews, I scan through them quickly categorically (like the one's who have given a very good 10/10 review, those who've written bad ones, those who are in between, then those who have written in a format, those who have written clearly whatever's in their heart and mind or those who have written like a literary graduate critic) This makes it easier to understand what kind of people thought about the anime. What the reviewers thinks is up to them. It's really up to you whether you can recognize them and choose to go with their reviews. Then it depends on what your expecting from the anime and if you find those expectations in the reviews. For example, I like to know how people enjoyed the show, coz that's what I want too. Or when I want to know what a non-story anime holds and all a reviewer said was Boobs, butts, panties, swimsuits - that helps too  |
River_CloudNov 29, 2016 3:44 AM
Fancy Quote Anime isn't Life But what's Life without some Anime, NEEEEEEE!!!!! |
| In this world, there would be at least 1 person with the same opinion as yours. Go on from there and thus, the logic behind reviews. |
NoobAsian said: EcchiLordMamster said: because people like to get their opinions out there... lol which gives fuel to fucks like me, who like to bitch about peoples opinions :D Especially when those opinions belong to ecchi haters, am I right? yea man... something like that xD @Darek it ain't goin' nowhere bruh xD SuperIdolNico said: EcchiLordMamster said: because people like to get their opinions out there... lol which gives fuel to fucks like me, who like to bitch about peoples opinions :D And more salt to mine whenever increased asspain becomes rampant over someone simply liking ecchi. LOOOOOLLL |
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| People (for the most part) enjoy understanding the perspectives of others for a multitude of reasons, be it confirmation bias, discovering something that they may not have known otherwise, and just comparing and contrasting in general. |
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| The reasons I occasionally write reviews are as follows: I wish to share my opinions. I wish to keep people from wasting their time on shit. I want to point people to stuff that I imagine they would like. I like to hear/read myself talk and the critique myself later. Gives me an excuse to rewatch series. |
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| There is nothing else in the world to discuss besides opinions. You still got a point with self gratification, it varies from person to person tho. |
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logan87654321 said: _Ako_ said: What your core message is, "I don't know what the fuck I am talking about" (basically me saying this).. I don't what drugs you're on but I was asking opinions on why reviews should exist because I couldn't think of any but weak ones myself. My post don't reveal anything to be quite honest... Yeah not with that shit English. I don't know why people get too much adrenaline on this kind of shit about reviews and stuff... I don't know where you're getting "adrenaline", but my post seems to me like a calm and composed one based on a question I had out of curiosity. If you think it's some kind of rage or flame post please feel free to enlighten me. Makes me wonder which is better now, Facebook or Google? No idea what significance this has. Because seems to me people get ideas from facebook and just recycle the shit out out of it... So me having a question from an issue brought up in an anime I recently, desiring answers and coming to a forum to get other's opinions on it is getting recycling the fuck "out out" of something I found on Facebook? OK. In short, this post contributes nothing to the topic at hand and looks like to me just you coming on over to a post, somehow thinking you've grasped the message after only reading the title, then posting an uninformed shit post based on a misconceived notion, all because you wouldn't "read that lengthy intro of [mine]." Most of the other posts have been at least related to this and I greatly appreciate that, but honestly fuck you. To get all the picture of my post, what I'm basically saying is that, this thread is overused, you just need to find the recent thread about anime reviews and shit... Lol... A dude rekting me for my grammar... This is good... xD |
| reviews are just discussing your thoughts... its talking about your experiences with other people. Its just regular old communication. Theres nothing inherently "useless" about it. |
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logan87654321 said: _Ako_ said: To get all the picture of my post, what I'm basically saying is that, this thread is overused, you just need to find the recent thread about anime reviews and shit... Feel free to point me to a thread that addresses my question. Feel free to use search dude, you're not a kid anymore... |
Lol... Then find something in some random hentai site... |
| Reviews provide an entry point for discussion pertaining to the work in question--discussion which may otherwise not have existed and which (ideally) leads everyone involved to understand it more. Whether you share the same opinion as the reviewer or not, the odds that you perceived the work in question in exactly the same way and saw it from all the angles that they and others did are incredibly low. You can learn something (maybe even a lot) from them, and they can learn something from you. You could argue that such a role could be assumed by forums like these or extended critical analyses rather than reviews, but reviews offer a medium for sharing analysis which is less formal and sprawling than a full-blown critical analysis, but more permanent, more formal and more organized than an unstructured discussion, both of which have entirely different goals and involve a different audience than a review. Basically, reviews fill a very specific and useful niche in the universe of discussing and understanding art. That would be my main reason. Here are some smaller (but arguably still important) ones: a) You wouldn't know it from reading 2,000 anime reviews that all go: Story: 8 i thought the story was pretty good, but that part where all those guys with blindfolds got stuck on the poles and died was majorly fucked Art: 7 the art is basically good looking but sometimes the animation will suddenly go to shit like whoah wtf is this an outtake from attakc on titans ...but criticism itself can constitute art. Reviews can have stylistic flair, be beautiful, be creative, explore meaningful ideas, and so on all while delivering an argument. They can be just as captivating as they are informative and persuasive. Heck, sometimes when I'm reading a good review of a bad work of art, it occurs to me that the creation of the review may have required more constructive thought and effort than the creation of the review's subject. I appreciate that thought and effort. b) You're too quick to dismiss the idea that something can be written just for self-gratification or one's own benefit. Maybe writing a review helps a person quiet the storm of thoughts in their head, maybe it relieves their stress, maybe they're practicing for something, maybe they just like writing. That's why I wrote them in the past--they helped me organize my thoughts and I enjoyed writing them, so that's what I did. If they happened to help somebody who stumbled across them, even better. There's nothing inherently bad or "shallow" about any of those reasons. They all help the person in question while carrying the potential to help others without negatively affecting you in any way. c) A specific reviewer whose taste matches yours can help you discover new things. If I find that Such-and-Such Reviewer thinks like me, enjoys styles or themes similar to those that I enjoy, and weighs narrative qualities in much the same way that I do, it might be a good idea for me to go out and find some of the things that Such-and-Such likes. Reading someone's opinion at length gives you far better insight into how they think and how useful their opinion is likely to be to you in the future than, say, glancing at their MAL. d) Good reviews not only pass a final judgment on their subject, but in the process inform the viewer about what to expect from it. For example, if I learn from reading a review that the reviewer perceived teen suicide as a major theme in this anime, and I happen to be incredibly invested in the theme of teen suicide and now have the show on my radar, that reviewer informed me of something that I might not have learned from another avenue, even if their argument didn't necessarily accomplish its ultimate goal. That review helped me. If I'm a little squeamish around graphic gore and someone's review warns me to brace myself because the show I'm gonna watch contains a bit of gore, that review helped me. If I'm a-lookin' for an ecchi-comedy that's about 90% ecchi and 10% comedy, and a review mentions that some show is a little too light on delicious ecchi to fulfill my ratio, I know that isn't the show for me at this exact moment, and that review helped me. Yeah, the overarching argument behind a review is usually "this is good" or "this is bad," but in the process of reaching a conclusion, the review's writer might inform or aid you in a hundred other tiny ways. I'd argue that's worthwhile. e) The idea that you're going to "like what you like" seems a little too simplistic. Your opinion can change in response to new information you've gleaned, new feelings or experiences you've had, or, yes, the rhetoric of another person. A good review can change your mind entirely, get you to budge just a little bit, or not change your mind at all and simply enlighten you as to what others might see in something. Either way, at the end of it you know more than when you began. I think your post is heavily based on the idea that the only goal of a review is to convert the reader to the critic's point of view or express that the reviewer's judgement is the one and only truth, and that a review which fails to convince the reader of this was pointless. This seems like a very black-and-white position to take, and one which misunderstands the fundamental goal of a review, which is merely for the writer to articulately argue what value (if any) they saw in a work and explain why they saw it. Reviews opine and inform, yes, and ultimately they take the form of an argument supported by logic and reasoning, but they are not propaganda. An argument which ultimately fails to convince you is not necessarily a failed argument. It's important to understand that, in rhetoric and discussion at large, change is generally understood to happen gradually. Our beliefs tend to be deeply entrenched. No one gives a speech, engages in a debate, writes a review, etc. thinking "this is gonna instantly convince everyone that I'm right," nor is convincing people of the truth of your word necessarily the only worth of a speech, review, etc. Sometimes criticism and rhetoric just plant a seed or move you ever so slightly or stand up as articulate and reasonable and well-constructed even if you don't necessarily end up agreeing with them, all of which can indicate their worth. Whether or not a person is aided by reviews, I don't know why they'd ever be "against" the concept of reviews itself. If other people see value in reviews and are having a wonderful discussion and learning things that they didn't before, that's great; let them do that while you do whatever it is that you want to do. Participation in the discussion is non-mandatory. Its existence is not encroaching on yours in any way. Side note: many of these things apply to good reviews and discussion. I wouldn't blame anyone for looking at the average MAL review and thinking "this is so uninformative it shouldn't even exist," but that's not representative of the entire concept of reviewing. I couldn't tell if this was a troll or not (because of the throwaway account) but this is as good a place to think aloud as any, so no harm done, I suppose. |
mahoganycowNov 24, 2016 1:32 AM
| ^ One of the few consistently good reviewers on Mal. Highly recommended. |
| Reviews exist to address the reviewer's subjective opinions and state why the reader may or may not like it. If the reviewer and the reader of the review have the same taste then it is very helpful, but even if their tastes differ it can still be useful to know what opinions are the most common and how it compares to other anime. A review is different from a synopsis because it says how well certain things were done in the anime. |
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logan87654321 said: Zapredon said: Which Hyouka episode is that again? I don't really read review but review allowed you to listen to other people's opinion. It's an expression. Episode 15 at around 15 and a half minutes. I check that episode it was a scene in magic show instead. No debate between 2 characters. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Reviews exist as propaganda to distract from the fact that all anime is terrible. Anyone who reviews anime is secretly involved with the illuminati. |
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logan87654321 said: This is actually exactly what I was looking for and I fully agree with the point that I was missing the basic point of a review (which is for the writer to argue what value they saw in a work and explain why they saw it like you said). Not a throwaway account though, I don't have any others. Oh, thank you. My bad for the misunderstanding, at the time of my post you didn't have any anime listed and your account was made ~2 days ago, so I guess I jumped to conclusions. I didn't mean to imply that your question was illegitimate or anything; it's a perfectly understandable inquiry that just happened to provoke some touchy responses from others. My apologies. Gymkata said: ^ One of the few consistently good reviewers on Mal. Highly recommended. Hey, I know you, you're a long-time reader. Thank you for the shoutout and for reading my text walls and speaking with me in the past, it's much appreciated :) You flatter me, though. |
zombie_pegasus said: Reviews exist to address the reviewer's subjective opinions and state why the reader may or may not like it. If the reviewer and the reader of the review have the same taste then it is very helpful, but even if their tastes differ it can still be useful to know what opinions are the most common and how it compares to other anime. A review is different from a synopsis because it says how well certain things were done in the anime. I'd say the most useful reviews are those we disagree with. They show us a different perspective, one that challenges us, that makes us take another look at our opinions. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: I was mostly talking about reading reviews before watching an anime, but I do agree that after you've already seen the anime reviews with opinions different from your own are more useful than ones that just back up your own opinion.zombie_pegasus said: Reviews exist to address the reviewer's subjective opinions and state why the reader may or may not like it. If the reviewer and the reader of the review have the same taste then it is very helpful, but even if their tastes differ it can still be useful to know what opinions are the most common and how it compares to other anime. A review is different from a synopsis because it says how well certain things were done in the anime. I'd say the most useful reviews are those we disagree with. They show us a different perspective, one that challenges us, that makes us take another look at our opinions. |
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| Reviews are usually done by critic right? Critic, is this true? Do you feel a sense of triumphant and importance of yourself when you put score/critic an anime. Anime is from Kino no Tabi episode 9 minute 20. |
ZapredonNov 24, 2016 10:32 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
zombie_pegasus said: TheBrainintheJar said: I was mostly talking about reading reviews before watching an anime, but I do agree that after you've already seen the anime reviews with opinions different from your own are more useful than ones that just back up your own opinion.I'd say the most useful reviews are those we disagree with. They show us a different perspective, one that challenges us, that makes us take another look at our opinions. Negative reviews can sometimes motivate you to watch an anime. Many criticized Future Diary for how messy it is and I like those messy shows. It encouraged me to watch it. |
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